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Vaush on Rising: Why Young Men ROOT for Andrew Tate
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last month former kickboxer and
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self-appointed masculinity Guru Andrew
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Tate was arrested in Romania for alleged
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human trafficking and sexual assault
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Tate and his followers believe he is the
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victim of a conspiracy to silence him
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because he quote goes against the system
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Tate has often referenced the 1995 not
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1999 film The Matrix favorite of mine in
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saying that the Matrix a Global Network
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of tech platforms and governments are
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out to get him and are behind the entire
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criminal investigation Tate's lawyer
Andrew Tate
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Eugene vidniak distance himself from his
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clients claims when asked about them in
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an interview last Thursday saying quote
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I have a serious profession and I didn't
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ask my client about this Matrix story
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because I think it is something on media
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platforms the matter doesn't have
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anything to do with my activity as a
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lawyer joining us now to discuss is
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YouTuber vouch welcome to the show
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my pleasure to be here how y'all doing
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we've talked about
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a read on Andrew Tate's fundamental
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appeal as someone who is more online his
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lawyer might not be interested about and
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what's happening on the internet but the
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only reason any of us are talking about
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Andrew Tate is because he's able to
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establish himself in this community so
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what do you make of his appeal
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yeah it's obviously not much of a legal
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defense but that refuge and conspiracy
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is really popular with people caught in
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the wrongdoing you know
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um when you're and it seems like the
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evidence against Tate you know at least
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from what we have now is um compelling
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uh there's not much you can do except
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suggests that you're the victim of some
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Grand conspiracy of course there are
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conspiracies in the real world usually
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these are conspiracies that favor the
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wealthy and Powerful Tate is both
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wealthy and Powerful it's just funny
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that you would use what is essentially
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the language of the critique of power to
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suggest that you somebody who lives in a
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mansion with what was it 32 cars are
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somehow the victim of systemic bias it's
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pretty silly
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I thought it was really interesting when
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he was describing
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um his philosophy and that that he the
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car only has value to him because
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someone else would would want it and
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it's the it's like the social
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competition or something between men
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which gives like life its satisfaction I
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thought it was very very sad kind of way
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to go about your life to like only want
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things if someone else would want them
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it would only have any value or meaning
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to you
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um but obviously this I this has to
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resonate with a lot of people I think a
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lot of young men maybe those who have
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not who don't who Envy The Wealth that a
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tate type figure has or like his or what
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appeared to me or seems to them his easy
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access
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um to women uh you know why is that a
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winning uh message and like what's the
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answer to that
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I think a lot of young men feel very
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anxious about what they imagine their
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role in society is they don't have a
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good narrative for how they should
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behave
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um there's a kind of inconsistent
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juxtaposition between the values of what
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one might consider a modern and sort of
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a traditional guide it's a difficult
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tightrope for a lot of them to walk so
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sometimes they find refuge in like
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audacious or ridiculous archetypes of
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masculinity for example this statement
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this miserable idea that the only like
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worth you can get out of life is trying
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to impress other men with the stuff you
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spend money on which in real like in
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reality this is like rat race ideology
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like enjoy nothing just consumed by
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listen to the ads whatever you're told
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to do do it because some guy next to you
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with a smaller car you know is going to
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get jealous ridiculous but this is you
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know as destructive as it is it is an
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archetype and I think people will fall
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back into these um these like what they
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imagine to be kind of or masculine
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traits if they feel that's the only way
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they can express their identity and
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there's a lot of that too that's wrapped
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up in this right the idea that right
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Tech and it's alienating or something it
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a a strain of conservative thinking that
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you know we'd be much happier you know
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on farms or ranches or something with a
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more traditional lives and raising
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animals and having wives that don't work
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that whole kind of thing now these
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arguments that this would be better and
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it's so much better should almost be
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forced on everyone is always coming from
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what I would describe as like the most
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online people of all like the people
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that I don't believe like you can't stop
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tweeting for five seconds so how could
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you turn your own butter but uh it is a
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pot there this is a kind of of thinking
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that it seems to be overlapping with a
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kind of of
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of conservatism that is a little bit
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different from Old School kind of you
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know 80s social conservative
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um it's interesting is it well it's a
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little I don't think that the rise of
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this kind of Trad popularity is a well
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it's socially conservative there are
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differences and a lot of women we should
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say are buying into it too I mean it
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seems to me that the social safety net
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has failed people in various ways and
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that they're looking for Alternatives
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and I think that's very understandable
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they're responding to a really
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real material reality you can't support
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there's never a wife's social safety net
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though well the wife's social state to
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that was their husbands you used to be
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able to support a family on one salary
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the idea of being a stay-at-home mom
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didn't necessarily mean the kind of
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economic precarity that it means now
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um you know people lived closer to their
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families than in communities and there
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are plenty of women who find that to be
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appealing as well especially since
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sexual Liberation for some women has
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meant that you are
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sexually liberated you can have sex but
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that you're not getting you know you
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have lost out on the idea of the kind of
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traditional partnership and Financial
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Security that you gotten yesterday now I
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think that those
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that's a little bit of a warped version
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of the the reality that either neither
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situation is necessarily ideal but it
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seems to be fundamentally the problem is
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that people don't have money and and the
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marriage contract was always
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fundamentally about Financial Security
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and people are looking it seems to me
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for some substitute for that and now
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that those relations have been broken
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down I don't know what do you make of
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all this Bosch no no I mean I I agree
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there's a reason why you know the rise
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of Nazis in Germany followed the Great
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Depression
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um the undermining of The Narrative of
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men as Breadwinners has historically
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been used as a um uh like a
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um a catalyst for reigniting other
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perceived Avenues of expressing
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masculine identity unfortunately
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sometimes in quite destructive ways you
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know you talk about these Trad
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identities there's nothing Trad about
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Andrew Tate you put him up against I
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don't know John Wayne or any older
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archetype of masculinity he looked like
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a clown
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um he he he prances about like I think
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the early 2000s term would have been a
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metrosexual or something there's there's
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not really anything like um uh
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archetypical let's not denounce
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oh but Hey listen I don't shame that I'm
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just saying there's nothing
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fundamentally tried about it the man
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builds his money off a crypto right I
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mean this is this is hardly like in like
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an archetypal return to the Farmland
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um speaking have you ever churned butter
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it's actually really difficult you know
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there's a lot of stuff Difficult about
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the rejection of modern sort of
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alienating elements of the social fabric
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that we live in Social uh social media
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you know um the rat race the idea that
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you have to uh engage in conspicuous
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consumption or to get ahead of other men
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but these are all things he promotes so
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there's an interesting inconsistency in
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this like Trad lifestyle versus okay
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well here's the actual stuff you have to
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do you have to live in the city you have
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to like trade the crypto you have to
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spend all your time online and
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ultimately this dissonance it's going to
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make them miserable it is making men
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miserable if you think causes problems
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you know what about that criticism of
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social media that it is so alienating or
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that it lends itself to some kind of rat
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race because obviously we crit Brianna
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and I criticize a lot of social media
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policies and and various things but I I
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think social media has improved my life
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at least I mean I have a a talk show on
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that's only possible because of YouTube
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I have interesting conversations with
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people because of social media I'm much
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more connected to different people all
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over the world and different ways of
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life I'm more connected to people who
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share my interests that in communities
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and forums that I wouldn't have known
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anything about in in an era without this
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level of internet connectivity and and
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that's probably that's true of a lot of
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the you know people were describing who
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who they themselves seem to think
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they're so miserable but I think might
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have been pretty miserable just living
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on on you know not having a kind of
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people or having a having a forced
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Community just the community of people
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you happen to have grown up around
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I think there's a lot of value to what
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social media offers us and finding Niche
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communities and people you never could
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have found if you were limited to your
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own in Real Life Community I think the
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issue is you know what people are driven
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to through dopamine drip feeds it's not
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necessarily what's good for them in the
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long term it's very easy to stay inside
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make 20 friends off of Twitter or
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Discord or whatever and talk with them
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fervently every hour of every day you're
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not working but it can't really compare
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I think to the satisfaction of a good
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meal with a good friend in person and
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the more people are driven to what's
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easy the more they might be driven away
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from what's actually meaningfully
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satisfying I think we can fix this by
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doing more to make the real life
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appealing you know we have fairly
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unwalkable cities unlivable Urban
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environments that don't really appeal to
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people and it's expensive to go out and
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hang out with people in real life
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whereas stuff online it's almost always
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free except for I guess like a game
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subscription or the internet uh
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subscription itself we've made online
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life easy in a lot of ways but not
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necessarily good and that dissonance I
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think is growing increasingly
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um alienating especially I think for
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younger people where this you know the
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vulnerability to that dopamine drip feed
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is a lot greater and it might be even
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more difficult to Communicator
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personally because you know young people
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are anxious and nervous in the best of
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days why make that situation worse by
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giving them an easier but ultimately
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less fulfilling
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way out well to bring this back to
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entertain just for a moment on Saturday
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Romanian authorities rated Tates
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compound confiscating about four million
conspicuous consumption
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dollars worth of luxury cars 15 in total
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you're asking for that number earlier
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Ravi in addition to some expensive
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watches you were saying earlier vouch
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that this doesn't seem to be really a
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traditional kind of masculinity it's
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about conspicuous consumption I made an
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argument there that I found compelling
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that this is an effort to fill this void
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that's been created by I think a kind of
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material deficit that exists as people
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have few and fewer resources to create
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the kind of lives that we were taught
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we'd have when we grew up but my
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question to you is this why do you think
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it is that while there are a couple of
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people on the left who seem to be
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resources for men who are flailing in
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this way people like Contra points have
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tried to use you know their channel to
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help people break people out of these
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kind of ideologies Michael Brooks used
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to try to reach out to disaffect the
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people who are moving right where young
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men in particular but for the most most
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part it seems that these figures are
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Jordan Petersons of the world and others
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like Andrew Tate do seem to be right
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leaning what do you think the left is
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failing to offer in terms of an
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alternative substitute to uh this this
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kind of material void
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well I think here in the states or maybe
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the West broadly the left has a history
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at least recently of operating as an
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ideology to the benefit of the
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dispossessed you know to speak to the
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interests of oppressed peoples uh to
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talk about what they need what they want
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what they're suffering from
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um but recently especially I think
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attributable to the rise of the internet
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we've seen an increase in the popularity
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of a lot of left-leaning populist ideas
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and I think it's time for us to
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understand that we aren't just some
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marginal Niche ideology uh for people
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who might not be able to find
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representation elsewhere we're a winning
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ideology and winning ideologies have to
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provide narratives stories and answers
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to everyone everyone has to be a part of
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it you know you can't have a Victorious
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political movement which is composed
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entirely of a minority of the population
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right you need to get it everyone I
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think the left could do a much better
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job of understanding is in line with
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basic intersectional theory that men are
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also in many ways victimized by
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standards that were created to benefit
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them the idea that men should be
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Breadwinners for example guests may have
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economically privileged men for most of
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modern history but right now today it
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also causes a lot of brief and woe you
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know I have a Red Death of a Salesman
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it's not exactly an entirely one-sided
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um social standard and you see the
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Sandra Tate thing right he said and I I
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believe you said this directly he
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doesn't enjoy sex or food the pleasure
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he gets from everything is just doing
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better than other men it's at the face
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of it miserable I can't imagine a more
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cursed existence than deriving all of
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your pleasure from outperforming other
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Rich guys you know like which you know
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like who gets the next car faster
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um this is uh a 100 just a sort of
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mutated and hyperbolic expression of the
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Warped standards that guys are sometimes
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held to or hold themselves to if the
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left can't find better Solutions better
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answers ways to assuage this narrative
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give them a better road to walk down
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then it's not surprising to me at all
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that other guys guys like Tate right
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don't think have men's best interests in
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mind would swoop in and take advantage
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of that narrative to sell their own
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poison
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now very strongly saying she does not
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think Andrew Tate did it which is a
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different thing from saying I don't know
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we'll see what the courts decide she
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firmly is a vowing that Andrew Tate is
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innocent of all of the things that he's
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been accused of do you think the right
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can take this too far and some of these
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figures can be so kind of aberrant
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um the things that you're saying about
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how they don't seem to enjoy sex they're
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all these memes you know I was having
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sex with women get women gay like
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there's this weird perversions of what
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it means to even be masculine yeah
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really though yeah yeah but like ooh you
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know performing certain sex acts when a
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woman is gross it's bizarre it's bizarre
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the kind of sex acts that we're
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portrayed in the Martin Luther King
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memorial
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what a testament to man's love for his
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wife
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um yeah do you think that they're going
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too far is there going to be a backlash
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at some point that there there might be
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the the far right needs this because
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like you know um the way Steve Bannon
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talked about how he used to approach
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people online right you Target in cell
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communities the right benefits from
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young guys who are sexless and angry at
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women because historically I mean God
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look back as far as like
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industrialization's gone
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um that is like the Bedrock a far-right
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populist movements you get guys who are
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angry at their place in the world they
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feel like Society has failed them in
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some critical way that we must return
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with a V instead of a u to tradition
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um and this this just this pattern keeps
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repeating itself there has to be a
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breaking point though swear to God the
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way some people are talking about Tate I
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feel like if Epstein had branded himself
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as a right-wing culture Warrior guy six
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months before he died in prison that
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they they would have been you know ah
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the Matrix got him too I I don't know
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how much of a limit there is to this
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exactly but at the end of the day you
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know we do there is a rubber band effect
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and we do return I think fundamentally
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to some some basic values regarding
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empathy the humanity of women in
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particular which I think is disregarded
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quite often by Tate and his fans and if
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you pull that string too far I mean it
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will eventually snap a movement like one
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supported by that ideology is completely
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unsustainable yeah I mean I I'm not
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gonna go full Candace zones here I have
due process
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urged a little bit of caution because I
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don't like intrinsically trust what the
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police necessarily have said about the
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situation what the police would say
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about any situation there has been other
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things are routinely exaggerated by the
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police to they say there's some
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underlying criminality and ends up being
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not quite that I think the guy is
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certainly a creep and the things he says
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are misogynistic and I am absolutely it
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would not surprise me to find him
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convicted of or that there's sufficient
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evidence that he's guilty of at least
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sexual misconduct and possibly worse
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than that that I I just I do believe in
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due process and I'm waiting for more
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information about the situation even
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though it looks sketchy too oh for sure
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I ain't no D.A or anything I'll just say
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if ever you could imagine an ideology of
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a sex trafficker you got that one nailed
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down right there you know
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um he's my man's laying out a bullet
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point it's like an you know an acting
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coach gave him hey can you act out of
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sex trafficker how much can you hate
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women you know I want to say give me
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your War face he's definitely got that
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all lined up obviously you'll go where
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the evidence follows you know we'll see
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how the investigation goes though it's
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worth noting as a very wealthy and
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powerful man that if ever there was any
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bias it would generally be expected to
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be in his favor not against him noting
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that he says he moved to Romania
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particularly because they have weak rape
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laws so you know he's he's actively
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courting environments that are going to
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continue to to invest in with privilege
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relative to his environment relative to
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the women that he is
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interacting with so I didn't mean to cut
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you out of Somalia I guess could have
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could have played it even safer you know
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went off to Antarctica the bigger the
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Gap economically in particular between
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you and the rest of society the easier
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it is to buy off courts and get your way
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no matter what you you but you guys
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share some skepticism with me with the
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libertarian of you know the police
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narrative is one thing I haven't heard a
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police narrative they've charged him
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with a crime I'm not reading a police
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report here I'm reading Andrew Tate's
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own statement in his website and what he
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likes to the question is how closely
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that's his Persona and maybe it is
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absolutely reflective of exactly what he
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was doing again I'm not I'm not
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defending him or ruling out that they
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convict him on exactly what they've said
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I just don't you know I don't know uh
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you were you were in it with him I see
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no uh no I obvious I'm sure this I'm
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sure it'll take years to to work it all
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out I I believe some transcripts have
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come out of him essentially admitting to
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like um like tricking it was doing the
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uh the boyfriend method right this was
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something associated with some grooming
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gangs where you like you bring desperate
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women over and you're like oh yeah no I
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love you you're perfect whatever hey
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since you love me so much how about you
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do a little something something for me
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some kamik you know you get them
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tattooed you get them in a compound take
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away their passport kablamo
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um it's a it's a pretty popular method I
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mean obviously it's it's I we just have
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like early transcripts and some leaked
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messages to go off and grooming has
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become the top agenda of conservatives
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to prevent everywhere we I'm hearing
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this term constantly and yeah ostensibly
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it's just a branding opportunity to call
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it grooming I guess well the many of the
grooming narrative
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people who are anti-grooming are
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supportive of Andrew Tate that's the
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issue people like Candace Owens who
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spend a lot of her program talking about
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licentiousness on the left and drag
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shows and how Kim Kardashian is a
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and all of this but don't you don't you
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think a lot of that is BS what is BS
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like everyone is the The Grooming
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narrative that these all yeah people are
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I think it's it's this so oh so there is
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a lot of grooming going on there's
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sexual predation all over the place kids
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are getting molested all over the place
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it's a horrible sixth sad world the
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question is who is doing it and why is
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there no interest in it when it's
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people's Uncle their family members
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their close friends that's who it's
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who's normally the victim or the
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perpetrator it's suddenly it's only an
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interest and we can pin it on Hillary
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Clinton in a pizza shop or or in you
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know Joe but I mean I understand like
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there's political motives but like or
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drag drag performers or things like that
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I mean it's did you did you watch the
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Andrew well I should I should ask you
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this fast did you watch that um the one
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thing documentary on HBO
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oh yes I did yeah oh the bit at the end
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right right there's there's a guy who
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spent the whole movie talking about
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groomers and how much he hates them and
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that's why he hates Biden and he loves
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Trump and then there's like a reveal I
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mean it's out there oh this is the who's
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that guy what's that Andrew caligan
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Callahan oh I saw you did a bunch of
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videos on him recently didn't you oh
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he's he's in a little bit of hot water
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himself but
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documentary just just a smidge but he
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did that documentary The bit at the end
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you know you got this Q Anon guy
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screaming you know everyone's a
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pedophile this Crossing guard's a
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pedophile that Bird's a pedophile it
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turns out the man's a pedophile
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eight-year-old that was the victim not a
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not a ambiguous case for him right um
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you do see a lot of this uh and there's
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a lot of rhetoric too that makes me feel
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like I mean they're really doubling down
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to that division Mount Walsh for
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instance has said you know the Catholic
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Church doesn't have a pedophile problem
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it has a gay priest problem
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um if you take a look at the stats on
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where like child abuse and how it takes
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place or whatever you know it's actually
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really easy to know what you can do
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about about it right sex education and
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that like me too uh kind of stuff you
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know believe takes seriously claims
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listen to people try not to let parents
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have like total uncontested complete
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authority over children in their minds
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because that environment can make it
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easy to abuse them but conservatives
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advocate for that stuff so you know you
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got to be careful about where this All
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Leads well I think conservatives are
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worried about teachers having exactly
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what you just described the you know the
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ability to instill in them values or
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Norms contrary to what the families want
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well that only if they got a rainbow
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flag up in the wall I ain't never heard
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any conservatives complain about
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teachers being domineering about any
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issue other than that they might support
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gay people well I know we've heard
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complaints about liberal bias of
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teachers for forever even predating the
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current panic over
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there are bad teachers for sure
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absolutely I just don't think the that
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the logic of grooming and real grooming
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I don't mean like this fake like
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grooming is when you teach somebody
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something I mean like actual predation
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has got nothing to do with being gay or
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trans or whatever
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um it's a legitimate vulnerability when
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you have environments where there are
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people with power over people without
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you've got people like Tate with a lot
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of money and power of the ability to
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transport women around take away their
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passports you've got teachers around
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children and parents around their
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children the consistent Logic the best
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way to fight all of this I think is the
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basic application of some feminist
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values concerning uh respect for bodily
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autonomy the idea of the earth of value
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consent and a lookout for people who are
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engaging in predatory behavior Tate
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makes money off of selling that
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predatory behavior to millions of
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teenage boys the downstream effects of
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what he's taught people will end up
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having a far worse consequence than any
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sex trafficking charges they can pin on
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him the total number of a women abused
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will go far beyond whatever he has in
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his compound that's what I I'm mostly
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concerned about it's the spread of that
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poison and what can be done to stop it
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yeah it's an interesting point boss we
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appreciate you spending so much time
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with us here today
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it's been my pleasure I really
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appreciate it even though it's awfully
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early here on the West Coast all right
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hopefully you can get back into bed
22:37
after this we'll have more Rising for
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